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a thing about Hugh Hewitt

Posted by Citizen on July 22, 2007

I listen to Hewitt’s show occasionally. Occasionally he’s brilliant. When his brilliance renders him obtuse I want to call the show and say so. I never get through, shouting at the radio is obtuse, so now I am blogging Hugh Hewitt’s radio show. I would email his web site, but I have to ‘join’ or ‘log in’ to do so. That’s lame, isn’t it? Hewitt doesn’t have to log in to comment on this blog. Is it a lawyer thing?

A thing about Hugh Hewitt. Wickipedia identifies him as a conservative radio talk show host. So far, other than the war hawk position, I have not heard a conservative breath escape his lips. I guess it takes one to know one, because Hewitt doesn’t know he isn’t conservative.

Do you recall that Hewitt wrote a book about Mormonism and Mitt? That was discussed on his show and some Christians called to say “hey, mormonism is a cult, it’s different than Christianity”, or something to that effect. Hewitt called them bigots to their face and refused to listen to their views. If you’re brilliant, or if you think you are, then simple believers who know what they believe and why they believe that way are threatening and must be squished with the bigot card. Why is that? Is it a lawyer thing?

<thought-balloon>”I am so brilliant. I’m an educated man. I am a Pharisee, uh, er, I am a lawyer. I am so brilliant that I wrote a book [ISBN 1-59698-502-X] about mormonism. Everybody who disagrees with me is less educated than I am and additionally is a bigot.</thought-balloon>

This cracked me up. Whatever Hewitt believes, it apparently doesn’t depend on divine revelation. Perhaps Hewitt thinks he is so brilliant that he believes he is the source of truth, eh? It was obvious from everything he said that he has no need to examine himself.

I could go off on a tangent and explain how, in the context of saving faith, being a bigot is the only viable alternative, but of course this would go over Hugh’s head. Or get the bigot rejoinder. At the very least it appears that Hewitt is in no need of any external sources to inform his opinion.

Being a lawyer helps him in dealing with callers because he has a quick caustic tongue and can repartee with the best of them. He does this by cutting off the caller and pontificating on what a bigot the caller is, and why of course mormons are Christians, because he says so. He cannot say WHY it’s so, he can only say that he says so. It’s his show and he’s entitled to his opinions and he’s entitled to distort and disrespect the caller’s opinions. That’s what he gets paid the big bucks for, besides the allure of his brilliance.

Mormons differentiate themselves from Scriptural Christianity by calling themselves “latter-day” somethings. That in itself will tip off any but the most brilliant that there is some kind of difference between the two deals. It comes from the mormons themselves. I suppose he could call them bigots then, eh? Mormon apologists don’t have any difficulty enumerating the differences when given an opportunity. Consider for a moment the following blog exchange with a mormon:

practicalreasoning

July 8th, 2007 at 10:53 am

“Read the Bible…”

Yeah, read it. I’ve also talked to about a hundred different people about a hundred different scriptures – including the one in Galatians – and they all have a hundred different interpretations. That’s the beauty of religions. If every person looked at the Bible and came to the same interpretations, there would be one Christian Church. Do Mormon’s believe in “another gospel?” Well, hard to say. They certainly don’t believe in your gospel – or else they’d go to whatever church you do. But I’m willing to bet there are at least 100 other Christian denominations who also don’t subscribe to your gospel. The question is, where do we draw the line of what is Christian? Al Mohler, and presumaby you, too, would draw the line in such a way as to exclude Mormons, becasue they don’t subscribe to some Roman creeds enacted by Constantine.

I certainly don’t subscribe to Al Mohler’s gospel, and he doesn’t subscribe to mine – but we both say we have the gospel of Jesus Christ. Here, we have a problem with labeling. Mohler wants to be able to label Mormons non-Christian. Why? I don’t know, maybe just for kicks, or maybe he truly doesn’t like Mormons. Perhaps a Mormon bully beat him up and stole his lunch money as a kid – it’s not my job to speculate. The point is, Mohler has an agenda: exclude Mormons at all costs. Baptists, Methodists, Pentacostals, all fine. Mormons, bad. If I had to guess, I’d say Mohler, and his Evangelical buddies, might be worried at the explosive growth of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints – and about the diminishing returns of parish-going tithe payers.

I’ve never understood why people do this. Go to your church, teach what you believe, and leave everybody else the heck alone.

Do I believe Christ was the “half-brother” of Satan? No, I believe he was the full brother of Satan. God created everything, right, including both Jesus and Satan. The are brothers the say way you and I are brothers (assuming you’re a dude). There’s a reason we call him the Heavenly Father – he’s the Father of all things, and the creator of our spirits.

Of course, this is not a blog on Mormon apologetics. If I wanted to argue about Mormonism with anti-Mormons, I would find myself doing that all day and nothing else – those folks are particularly rabid. But I have other things to do, including making fun of Al Gore, watching TV, and washing my hair.

You want to split hairs about Mormonism, go to this site: http://www.romneyexperience.com – but I know better than to let this site (which no one should ever really take seriously, anyway) devolve into religous squabbling. If you’re looking for a fight, I’m sure you’ll find one – just not here.

There you have it then. Straight from the horse’s lips: “Do I believe Christ was the “half-brother” of Satan? No, I believe he was the full brother of Satan. God created everything, right, including both Jesus and Satan. The are brothers the say way you and I are brothers …”

You have to be blinded by your own brilliance not to know that NO CHRISTIANS believe that Christ was created by anybody. Christ is uncreated because CHRIST IS GOD. Christ in the flesh died because “he made himself equal to God” by saying “I and the Father are One.” This could not be more diametrically opposed to “…God created everything, right, including both Jesus and satan.” If this is so then Christ CANNOT HAVE ATONED FOR ANYONE’S SIN, and therefore there is no Salvation. Thus, even for the brilliantly blinded, mormonism is not the same as Christianity. It cannot be. The only way mormons can believe they are Christians is by altering the Truth about Christ. The Christ they believe in is a created being, no different than satan really. Theirs is a religion of works that CANNOT include the atoning work of Christ on Calvary’s Cross. Why not? Because no created being can atone for his own sin, much less the sins of the world. The supernatural nature of Christ’s sacrifice is absent from the mormon story. When you have to redefine basic terms to win adherents you’re not able to claim to be the genuine thing. It’s a distinction with a difference. A latter day anything isn’t Christianity, it’s an amendment.

This is the little thing that Hewitt’s callers wanted him to get, but he refused instruction from the obviously less than brilliant telephone fodder.

These few words bring me to the current events point I want to ask Hewitt about. Here’s a burning (pun intended) question: is that pope a bigot by Hewitt’s reckoning? Who is the bigot Hugh? Is turn-about fair play? Is Hewitt as incensed about the pope’s claim as he is about the callers’ claims? The real crackup is that the pope is as wrong as Hewitt is, for the same reason the reluctant mormon apologist quoted above is wrong.

In case someone thinks I am alone in my point of view, and therefore automatically wrong, this writer has examined more of the differences with distinctions that apply directly to this subject.

Redefining basic terms and understandings and claiming that verily verily they mean something different today than they meant in Christ’s day is a simple and effective trick for damning everyone involved. It’s not enlightenment, it’s obfuscation so you can gain adherents that you can control. Every religion operates the same way with the same defect. But child-simple-faith in the work Christ accomplished on Calvary’s Cross and child-simple-faith that what God said is true is the only promised gate to heaven, and the only impediment to getting there. All the rest is WRONG, regardless of how impressed the purveyors are with their own brilliance.

Jud 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort [you] that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

It’s not the latter-day one, but the ONCE-DELIVERED faith that we are exhorted to earnestly contend for. For the brilliant who might miss the import of this, note that Jude did not exhort Christians to earnestly contend for mormonism or any other …ism. We are exhorted to earnestly contend for the faith that was once delivered unto the saints. The once delivered one is the one we are to earnestly contend for. It’s pretty simple, really.

Jud 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort [you] that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

aye aye Sir,

citizen

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2 Responses to “a thing about Hugh Hewitt”

  1. Bot said

    The Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) is often accused of not believing in Christ and, therefore, not being a Christian religion . . This post helps to clarify such misconceptions

    • Baptism: .

    Early Christian churches, practiced baptism of youth (not infants) by immersion by the father of the family. The local congregation had a lay ministry. An early Christian Church has been re-constructed at the Israel Museum, and the above can be verified. http://www.imj.org.il/eng/exhibitions/2000/christianity/ancientchurch/structure/index.html
    The Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) continues baptism and a lay ministry as taught by Jesus’ Apostles. . Early Christians were persecuted for keeping their practices sacred, and not allowing non-Christians to witness them

    • The Trinity: .

    A literal reading of the New Testament points to God and Jesus Christ , His Son , being separate , divine beings , united in purpose. . To whom was Jesus praying in Gethsemane, and Who was speaking to Him and his apostles on the Mount of Transfiguration?

    The Nicene Creed”s definition of the Trinity was influenced by scribes translating the Greek manuscripts into Latin. . The scribes embellished on a passage explaining the Trinity , which is the Catholic and Protestant belief that God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. . The oldest versions of the epistle of 1 John, read: “There are three that bear witness: the Spirit, the water and the blood and these three are one.”

    Scribes later added “the Father, the Word and the Spirit,” and it remained in the epistle when it was translated into English for the King James Version, according to Dr. Bart Ehrman, Chairman of the Religion Department at UNC- Chapel Hill. . . .He no longer believes in the Nicene Trinity. .

    Scholars agree that Early Christians believed in an embodied God; it was neo-Platonist influences that later turned Him into a disembodied Spirit. . Divinization, narrowing the space between God and humans, was also part of Early Christian belief. . The Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) views the Trinity as three separate divine beings , in accord with the earliest Greek New Testament manuscripts.

    • The Deity of Jesus Christ

    Mormons hold firmly to the deity of Christ. For members of the Church of Jesus Christ (LDS), Jesus is not only the Son of God but also God the Son. Evangelical pollster George Barna found in 2001 that while only 33 percent of American Catholics, Lutherans, and Methodists (28 percent of Episcopalians) agreed that Jesus was “without sin”, 70 percent of Mormons believe Jesus was sinless. http://www.adherents.com/misc/BarnaPoll.html

    • The Cross and Christ’s Atonement: .

    The Cross became popular as a Christian symbol in the Fifth Century A.D. . Members of the Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) believe the proper Christian symbol is Christ’s resurrection , not his crucifixion on the Cross. Many Mormon chapels feature paintings of the resurrected Christ or His Second Coming. Furthermore, members of the church believe the major part of Christ’s atonement occurred in the Garden of Gethsemane as Christ took upon him the sins of all mankind.

    • Definition of “Christian”: .

    But Mormons don”t term Catholics and Protestants “non-Christian”. . They believe Christ’s atonement applies to all mankind. . The dictionary definition of a Christian is “of, pertaining to, believing in, or belonging to a religion based on the teachings of Jesus Christ”: . All of the above denominations are followers of Christ, and consider him divine, and the Messiah foretold in the Old Testament. They all worship the one and only true God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and address Him in prayer as prescribed in The Lord’s Prayer.

    It”s important to understand the difference between Reformation and Restoration when we consider who might be authentic Christians. If members of the Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) embrace early Christian theology , they are likely more “Christian” than their detractors.

    . Restoration:

    Roger Williams, the founder of the Baptist Church in America, concluded the following, shortly before leaving the church he established:
    “There is no regularly constituted church of Christ on earth, nor any person qualified to administer any church ordinances; nor can there be until new apostles are sent by the Great Head of the Church for whose coming I am seeking. (Picturesque America, p. 502.)

    Martin Luther said the following: “Nor can a Christian believer be forced beyond sacred Scriptures,…unless some new and proved revelation should be added; for we are forbidden by divine law to believe except what is proved either through the divine Scriptures or through Manifest revelation.”

    On another occasion he wrote: “I have sought nothing beyond reforming the Church in conformity with the Holy Scriptures. The spiritual powers have been not only corrupted by sin, but absolutely destroyed; so that there is now nothing in them but a depraved reason and a will that is the enemy and opponent of God. I simply say that Christianity has ceased to exist among those who should have preserved it.”

    While the Lutheran, Baptist and Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) churches recognize an apostasy from true Christianity, Lutheranism and Anabaptists find the remedy in reform, whereas Mormonism (and Roger Williams, and arguably Luther) claims the necessity of inspired restoration, not only for theological purposes but also to reestablish a broken line of apostolic succession and authority.

    * * *
    • Christ-Like Lives:

    The 2005 National Study of Youth and Religion published by UNC-Chapel Hill found that Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) youth (ages 13 to 17) were more likely to exhibit these Christian characteristics than Evangelicals (the next most observant group):

    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . LDS . . . Evangelical

    Attend Religious Services weekly . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 71% . . . . 55%

    Importance of Religious Faith in shaping daily life –

    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . extremely important .. 52. . . . . . . 28

    Believes in life after death . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 76 . . . . . . 62

    Believes in psychics or fortune-tellers . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . . . . . 5

    Has taught religious education classes . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 42 . . . . . . 28

    Has fasted or denied something as spiritual discipline . . . . . . . . . . . 68 . . . . . . 22

    Sabbath Observance . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 67 . . . . . . 40

    Shared religious faith with someone not of their faith . . . . . . . . . . . . 72 . . . . . . 56

    Family talks about God, scriptures, prayer daily . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 50 . . . . . . 19

    Supportiveness of church for parent in trying to raise teen

    (very supportive) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .65 . . . . . . 26

    Church congregation has done an excellent job in helping

    Teens better understand their own sexuality and sexual morality . . . . 84 . . . . . . 35

  2. Citizen said

    Bot,

    Thanks for posting. I don’t have time to deal with this now, but the arguments can wait. I will leave it as you sent it but edit for length later, and answer.

    Briefly, you have not dealt with the issue that mormons believe that Christ is a created being, and that satan is his brother. Satan is created, Christ is not, and this is not breachable by negotiation.

    There is the issue of the latter-day business, most especially in light of Scripture:

    Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

    Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

    This is the absolute benchmark of what’s fact and what’s not. If the church that followed Christ around on earth had received what you posted, then well and good, but the source you claim is outside the realm of the “Gospel that was once delivered unto the saints.”

    You have to overcome this to have credibility with the believers of the vintage Gospel. The burden of proof is on you, not us, and any arguments which rely on anything after Galatians 1 was spoken is clearly outside of the genuine Gospel.

    You cannot have a yard stick that is 36.0000001 inches long and still have a yard stick. The standard was set, and I categorically reject anything anyone tries to add to Gospel. I take the Gospel that was preached to the Galatians, that was preached by Christ to his disciples, to be the ONLY GOSPEL in existance. None of the arguments you offer are based on facts that predate Galatians 1. Every latter-day amendment is not ‘another gospel’, but a perversion of the Gospel of Christ.

    It is not me who is saying this is so, it is the Gospel of Christ which says this is so, and I believe it..,

    citizen

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